Pirro v Cox v Clinton
Posted by Moonage on 09 Aug 2005 | Tagged as: 2006 US Senate Races
The Senate race in New York probably just got a lot more interesting. Jeanine Pirro has declared her intentions to oppose Hillary Clinton. So, we got a liberal female corporate attorney opposing a conservative female prosecuting attorney. This could be VERY FUN to watch.
Ed Cox had already announced his intentions to oppose Hillary as well. I really think Ed’s going to get shot in the crossfire.
I’ll be keeping an eye on this race. It’s looking a lot more enjoyable than I was originally guessing it would be.
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on 09 Aug 2005 at 11:35 am 1.StormWarning
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I am so glad that you recognize Pirro as a “conservative” although most NY’ers see her as a moderate.
As I mentioned “over there” I suspect that since both women have an albatross for a husband, husbands may not enter into the debate. Cox is already crying like a baby because the NY State powers that be, especially Joe Bruno, the Senate Majority Leader, has seemingly blessed Pirro’s candidacy.
Yuppers. I think we have a race for the NY Senate seat, and it should be quite interesting to watch.
One observation that I heard though is that Pirro wins, even if she loses, but not by too much. A strong showing against Senator Clinton, even in a losing cause, places Pirro right into the middle of future Republican politics in NY State.
FWIW, I like her. She’s a tough law and order prosecutor…very tough on narcotics, very tough on spousal abuse etc. I like her alot.
on 09 Aug 2005 at 11:40 am 2.Bryan Kerwick
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This is going to be interesting. It may even be civil. They both ahve the same problem of not so upstanding husbands which will cancel each other out and probably remain out of bounds for once.Maybe we will see the future of politics in a more positive campaign instead of the usual mudslinging.
Keep an eye on the cash for this one. Forcing Hillary to spend a lot of money on a Senate race is a pretty smart move by the Republicans. A race she should win by 20 or 30 points will be a lot closer than expected, a lot closer to 5 points. Kinda puts the dampers on the 2008 run and almost makes Senate re-election not worth a shot at the White House considering she won by 12 points last time.
It will be an interesting election season to say the least. Probably a good time to drag out the voting records to see where these folks really stand in all the Senate races.
on 09 Aug 2005 at 1:42 pm 3.Moonage
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I’m probably going out on a limb calling Pirro a “conservative”. Mainly because I define conservative by the old values, not the newer neo-con values that are predominant today. From what I’ve read about her stances, she fits the old definition quite nicely. I consider myself an old fashioned conservative. When discussing politics on the The Fool, I think I come accross as a moderate ( I claim I’m a moderate, but that’s because the “other” sides have become so polarized that I’m stuck in the middle by default. ) From what I’ve seen, I like how Pirro looks. Cox will whine some, but that picture I posted of him was the best one I could find. He’s just not an exciting person to look at. And from my experience actually being involved in political races, that means a lot. I look for Pirro to thump Cox pretty bad in the primary, without any real effort, and to be well financed against Clinton. She can’t touch Clinton’s financing ability right now, but she looks to be a very crystal clear alternative to Clinton without New York having to sacrifice any glamour appeal. I do look for Bill to make some appearances for Hillary, I don’t really look for Jeanine’s husband to do the same. However, I don’t think that will matter much. When it gets down to it, it’s going to be the personalities of Jeanine and Hillary. I haven’t seen Jeanine in action yet, but everyone’s already experienced with Hillary. This will boil down to a referendum on Hillary. If Pirro offers a better alternative than what 51% of the voters in New York think they have now, she’ll win.
Regardless, this does look like a fun one to watch. And, for a Kentuckian observing a New York race, that’s all that really matters.
on 09 Aug 2005 at 8:25 pm 4.Bryan Kerwick
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Unless its The Belmont. I have been transplanted from NYC to KY and think there is way more at stake than a Democratic Senate seat. This is a dry run for the big job. If Hillary doesn’t win very convincingly, she will find some trouble from the lunatic left come money raisin time for 2008. Due to the fact she remade herself into a centrist to win a national election, the Hollywood crowd that funds the Democratic machine may very well think she has gone too far to the right. An absolute landslide is her only real option other than withdrawing and announcing for 2008 right now. She is by far the best politician in either Party right now so how she handles this will be interesting. Kindly note the Republicans can raise huge sums of money from NYC, especially the Wall Street crowd. Pirro will have the money to put up a good fight and don’t think for 1 second Carl Rove doesn’t understand the stakes.
on 09 Aug 2005 at 10:33 pm 5.Moonage
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IMO, 2006 is 2006 and 2008 is 2008. I don’t think for one second that if Hillary loses she considers her political career over. She’ll have too many scapegoats. #1 to go would be Howard Dean. If she does lose, and the Democrats see that as a sign to revamp their national strategy and agenda, Hillary would still wind up the most potent Democratic candidate in ‘08 IMO.
However, I do agree that Karl Rove will have a laser focus on this race and every resource he has available will be backing Pirro. I’m not willing to call this one yet. But I sure will be watching it.
on 10 Aug 2005 at 6:04 am 6.Bryan Kerwick
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This is entirely about 2008. It’s the dry run for the White House.
Hillary will win 2006 but cost her 2008 if not by a landslide of 20+ points period. If Pirro gets to within 5 points its party over for Hillary. She will be eaten by her own Democratic Party, citing her move to the middle as a reason for a poor showing against a political unknown with a bunch of skeletons in her closet.
Dean must go for the Dems to have any chance of regaining respectability but the problem there is the money base is the Hollywood crowd who are far to the left. By the way, NYS is getting redder by the day which is another factor in the Hillary remake as a centrist.
The land of the New York Times, ABC, NBC, CBS et al are still a formidable force but a closer look at things will reveal a weakness. The 2 most powerful newspapers for the past 20 years have been the decidedly liberal NYT and Mewsday, both of which are in serious trouble with both circulation and advertising revenue. The folks of NYC just aren’t buying the ideology as they once did.
The New York Post of all papers is becoming the peoples choice. Once considered nothing more than a tabloid, Murdoch and Co. have turned this paper into a respectable alternative. There are some serious grumblings about this issue with the usual conspiracy theories. Appears the Wall Street crowd has beaten up on the Madison Avenue people to place their advertising in more Corporate friendly media outlets. That does not bode well for the likes of NYT and Newsday but is a boon for the Post.
New York is not as Liberal as one would suspect and neither is Boston for that matter. The Institutions may be but the folks aren’t. Therein lies the problem for the Democrats. They will still win elections but at a much higher cost than before and by smaller margins. A look at the Governor seats in NY and MA will give you an idea of what I’m talking about.
Perhaps changing the name of my beloved St. John’s to The Red Storm was an ominus twist of fate for the liberal PC crowd. To be continued…..